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PostPosted: 05/10/2010 14:31:09    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Hey Guys,

Excuse me for writing in English but unfortunately I'm not gifted with french.. Still I hope you guys can help a fellow shoe-freak out with his patina project!

I read this forum and tried some stuff out before but I still think it's good that other experts can give me some tips to get some good result for this project wink.

Okay, here are my victims, two Loding shoes. I have stripped these shoes with bleach (because I dyed them before and could not remove the old patina with aceton). I know I have damaged the leather but these are just my experiment shoes so I don't bother. Do you guys think the leather is stripped enough for applying new patina?





What I want to archieve is a green shoe like the patina master (Paul Bolten) has created (see picture below). SO a nice dark green nose and lighter green for other parts. Can you guys help me out by telling me what color of dye (Saphir), creme and wax I need to buy?I have tried some before but the result was not good Sad



Ofcourse I will show my progress with pictures!
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PostPosted: 06/10/2010 22:09:15    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Hey guys, don't want to bump the thread but hope you can help me. This weekend i'll buy Saphir leather dye, cream and wax and start. I will keep you posted with new pics!

Ps: did I put this topic in the wrong thread?
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PostPosted: 06/10/2010 22:28:16    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I am not a patina specialist, but I think you already did a good job with the bleach. The leather does not seem to be damaged, but will need to be feeded with cream.

Unfortunately, I cannot help you with the color as my eyes are not liable. Mr. Green

I understood from many experiences made by other members that the final result is never what you expected.

So you will have to define and to decide what to do, undo, add, correct all along your patina work.

One of those would could help you has been bannished from this forum for a few days.

Let's hope he will be back for his skills are better than mine.

Good luck.

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PostPosted: 06/10/2010 22:50:39    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Thank you, it took me some time but I think I removed the patina. Before I removed the old patina with aceton but that was not effective enough.

What I want to accomplish is a patina like the green shoe from Paul Bolten (picture in my post). Ofcourse i'm aware that I cannot archieve the same (because every patina is unique) but that's about the idea.

What would be the first step after the bleaching? Is there some kind of nourishing / feeding creme that I need to apply before dying?

I already have a couple of other shoes standing by if this project will work out like I want it :)
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PostPosted: 07/10/2010 14:17:46    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I have no experience in leather coloring, so all I can share is my knowledge in different colour application. Still, a green patina like the one you want would probably be made from green, blue and yellow dies. I would not be surprised it some accents were added with light touches of brown.

Do you have any experience in painting or colour-mixing ? Leather patina is quite similar, except you have to expect the final color to be different from the one of the die in the pot and the colour of the wet die when you apply it. Only experience can teach you what to use to get the result you want.

If you do not have experience with colour, you can play a little with color pencils on light brown paper, to see how green, yellow and blue mix combine together. Or you can try with acrylic watercolors, which will be closer to leather dies (but more expensive than pencils).
Dies can (and should) be mixed together in a pot to create the color and shade you want.

In doubt, use pale colors, as you can add more to darken them, but cannot lighter the colour once it's been applied on the leather. Therefore, you need the "clear die" that is mixed with color to get light shades.
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PostPosted: 07/10/2010 15:54:52    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Thanks for the tips Nishijin75, you are right I have read (on this forum) you should mix dies (also with alcohol).

That's a good tip to first practice on white paper but (what a coincidence) yesterday I found a shop that sells all kinds of leather (also calf leather for shoes). I will visit that shop and buy some leather to practice.
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PostPosted: 08/10/2010 18:40:13    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

You could ask to Avel to have the mixing chart of their Dye ( FRENCH DYE TEINTURE FRANCAISE® AUX DRAPEAUX). In plus, they could provide you their resaler in The Netherland.

=> http://www.avel.com/index.php?action=fiche&support=217&id=36&id…

* Dark Green (VERT FONCE/Ref: 0814202)
* Lightening Base (BASE ECLAIRCISSANTE/Ref: 0814004)

Or you could buy the color chart (including for the mixing dye)=> http://www.valmour.com/cleaning-products/colour-charts-for-smooth-leathersu…
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PostPosted: 09/10/2010 17:48:55    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I already found a reseller in the Netherlands. I probably will go there on monday and take the shoes with me.

I will try to get green, yellow and blue. I will also buy some Saphir creme in green.
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PostPosted: 10/10/2010 10:47:05    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

the Lightening Base is important for have lighter green. And then, Like paining you need to have the color mixing chart


For some idea of Patina

* http://www.marcguyot.com/5.aspx?sr=4
* http://www.altanbottier.com/3.aspx
* http://laurentdimascio.com/
* http://www.glacagechaussures.com/
* http://hom-made.com/
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PostPosted: 10/10/2010 17:18:18    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Dynamo wrote:
the Lightening Base is important for have lighter green. And then, Like paining you need to have the color mixing chart




What do you mean by lightening base? Is it the first layer of dye I need to apply? What color of base should I use?
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PostPosted: 11/10/2010 19:56:07    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

1 voulme of Black + 1 voulme of lightening base = grey
1 voulme of Black + 2 voulmes of lightening base = light grey

=> http://depiedencap.leforum.eu/t9260-Recherche-une-teinture-cuir-avec-une-ba…
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PostPosted: 11/10/2010 22:09:14    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Today I visited the shoemaker and I ordered a bottle of yellow and green dye. He didn't had it in the shop so I have to wait a couple of days but then we can get started ;).

I'll also order some blue. I let you guys know when I have the stuff!
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PostPosted: 14/10/2010 19:13:38    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

At last I have received my green, yellow and dark brown dye! I also ordered green beewax...

I think i'm gonna first try on paper (or get me some try-out leather) before i'm gonna dye the shoes!

Do you think it's best to mix the green and yellow? Or is it better to first dye the shoe completely yellow, let it dry and then apply yellow/green mix?

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PostPosted: 18/10/2010 21:02:51    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Do you guys how to archieve an effect like this? Do I first need to apply a dye of yellow, let it dry and then apply green/yellow mix?

I guess to first dye the nose green (with a little brown mix to dark the nose). The other parts of the shoe i want to dye yellow (with a little green mix). Let this dry.

Then apply another layer of green and yellow (this time more green then yellow). If the nose is still to light I apply anothe layer of green/brown. Then let this layer dry.

I want to dye the shoes with brushes to get the brush effect.

Hope you guys can give me some tips before I destroy the shoes wink.



I really appreciate your input!
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PostPosted: 26/10/2010 10:07:29    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I dyed the shoes. I used dark green dye to accentuate some parts of the shoes (the nose for example).
I then used a mix of green/yellow for other parts of the shoe.

Do you guys think I should add another layer of paint or add the wax? I now have a dark-green wax is it good to add a dark wax or should I use lighter?



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PostPosted: 26/10/2010 14:27:01    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

That's a pretty good effort, but I would try to reduce the differences between the toe and the rest of the shoe by darkening a bit the rest of the shoe.
And don't forget, the first time like any other time, you will very rarely get the true colour you had in mind, you will always be surprised.
Let us know what you decide and show us more pics.

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PostPosted: 26/10/2010 14:47:27    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I'll add another layer of green to the shoe but I'll try to keep the nuance between dark tip and the rest of the shoe.

Ofcourse I will post pictures, I will continue tonight :). I'll also paint the outside sole ;)...
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PostPosted: 27/10/2010 09:19:06    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I also did the other shoe and made them a little more darker. Tonight I think I will add wax and spit-sphine the shoe..





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PostPosted: 29/10/2010 08:12:26    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

First layer of wax... Need to do a spit shine on the nose.








What do you guys think???
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PostPosted: 29/10/2010 10:23:10    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Pictures outside, now i also adjusted the laces ;)


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PostPosted: 29/10/2010 10:25:37    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

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Very nice pair of shoes!!!
You did a great job!
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PostPosted: 29/10/2010 13:11:03    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I still need to archieve a spit shine.. But when I add a drop of water on the nose the wax comes a little bit off and I don't get that shine...
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PostPosted: 29/10/2010 16:36:29    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Vortex,

I think you just nailed your first patina. Great job.

Regarding the spit shine, just be very smooth and do not attempt to force it.


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PostPosted: 30/10/2010 17:30:52    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

I am not very found of the colour that I probably would not wear, but this is really good job

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PostPosted: 30/10/2010 18:31:31    Post subject: My own patina project, tips would be great! (pics included) Reply with quote

Hehe thanks...

I'm already busy with the next pair: loding milan wholecut! Not sure what colors I want to do...
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